thank you for the reply , your email sort of got me wondering on a corrupt network direction , turns out that avast anti virus comes with a basic firewall that appears to be disabled but for some reason when I removed avast and reset the Icam app and it kicked in , can't say Im overly surprised my mistake for not looking a little harder , but last week was a little bit of a blur , dealing with cryptolocker virus on a work server , fun n games, but thanks for your help and thanks for an awesome app !